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Carbon 14 Dating Mistakes with the Shroud of Turin (Updated in ) . The radiocarbon dating results did stimulate debate. The first responses from shroud . In it, Rodger Sparks, a carbon dating expert from New Zealand, and William Meacham, regarding possible inaccuracies in the carbon dating test results. Main · Videos; Radiocarbon dating and the shroud of turin debate winner. Someone campaigned there, whereby all per a special it threw out per relaxation .
As an archaeologist with 25 years of experience using C14 for the dating of excavated samples, I know what most archaeologists do when C14 produces a date which conflicts strongly with other evidence from a site: This happens often in archaeology, even on sites and samples which were thought to be ideal for C14 dating.
Very rarely is the problem of these individual aberrant dates ever resolved or even addressed. But over the years a whole host of difficulties have come to light with C14, e. The causes of these phenomena are known, but in many other cases anomalous dates have not been satisfactorily explained.
Caution is certainly in order when C14 results conflict with the lines of interpretation indicated by other evidence.
I have no real quarrel with this paragraph. As a radiocarbon scientist not, I must stress, an archaeologist I am familiar with the problems that can arise when a radiocarbon date apparently conflicts with prior expectations. And as an occasional bearer of bad news, I am used to having a back full of arrows!
I can also say that in the great majority of cases the result of this is to reconfirm the previous result. We should remember that if radiocarbon dating or any other technique is to be really useful we must expect it to produce new knowledge that may well conflict with what was previously thought.
Radiocarbon Dating of the Shroud of Turin
The examples of anomalous dates referred to do occur, and as pointed out they are mostly well understood - which means they do not pose a further problem. Sometimes problems do remain and we have to be prepared to either wait for a solution further down the track or start digging deeper to find out what is really going on.
But I do not think that this is the situation with respect to the Shroud. When I attended the conference in Turin for planning the C14 dating of the Shroud, at the invitation of the Vatican Academy of Sciences, I argued strongly for an extensive testing program This was met with arrogant dismissal by 5 of the 7 radiocarbon lab heads in attendance. I do not know what transpired at the conference. On the face of it the suggestions made by Meacham seem quite reasonable, and if they were dismissed out of hand by others at the conference I can understand his feeling aggrieved.
Yes, it would take a lot of extraneous carbonaceous material to throw the date off by years, if contamination ALONE is the problem. Isotope exchange with materials on or in prolonged contact with the cloth is another very strong possibility, and one which is very difficult or impossible to evaluate or test for I am not sure what is meant by "isotopic exchange" as distinct from "contamination". If the suggestion is that 14C has preferentially migrated into the linen but not 13C and 12C, I have to say "no way!
Turin Shroud may have been created by earthquake from time of Jesus
God does nothing without reason or plan, and I can't fathom His leaving something confusing like this. Unfortunately, some people seem to need or want more. The Bible isn't enough for them. Even if it is proven that the shroud dates to c.
It simply proves that you have a year-old burial shroud. Historically interesting, yes, and relatively unique, but the connection between this cloth and Jesus Christ is stretching the imagination so far as to be ridiculous.
Only the faithful will believe it anyway, and those people who need their faith to be bolstered by something as trivial as this need to question why they believe in the first place. The altars of Catholic Europe are full of the interred bones of saints who, if their existence is to be believed, must have had 7 legs and 97 ribs. Frank Wognum, Duffort, France I think that regardless of whether it is or is not Christ's burial cloth, testing should still be allowed to take place. They only way any truth can be gained from the shroud is through testing it's age again - to get some measure of certainty.
David Appleyard, Halifax, UK Tradition has often been confirmed by scientific investigation Nancy Robinson, Pittsburgh The Shroud is one of the most intriguing antiquities in the world. I am excited by this new information. Tradition has often been confirmed by scientific investigation. Maybe, some day, we'll find that the 'story' was true!
Instead of wasting resources trying to prove what will not add any value to the body of Christ, I feel such resources should be channelled to orphanages and homes where it will help humanity to the glory of God. Patrick, Nigeria The shroud of Turin is a masterpiece whether or not it is the image of Christ.
I work with fibres and dyes, and the beauty and skill of the image from so long ago is a wonder to behold.
Radiocarbon dating of the Shroud of Turin
How did it happen chemically? Treasure it, study it, and enjoy it as any great masterpiece. While science continues to disprove and now prove the Shroud of Turin to be older than the previous results, people's believes get stronger each day, by absorbing science findings as part of the foundation of their religion.
Claudia Costa, Fairfax Virginia I believe the most interesting fact concerning the Turin Shroud is that it bears blood stains. If so, this would show that Jesus was not actually dead when he was wrapped in it, and that Christian theology has been based on a false premise, and it would enable us to analyse his DNA and identify his descendants. J S Walker I would like to look at who sponsored the research - but even if this evidence is correct, it in no way substantiates that the image is that of Jesus.
The fact that it appears to be an imprint of a person who died in a similar fashion is not conclusive - thousands died in this unimaginable way around the same period. But as a medical and historical artefact it is no less fascinating. The church probably possesses many other such fakes created by medieval superstition.
Radiocarbon dating of the Shroud of Turin - Wikipedia
The church does not need such relics, they belong in a museum. John, London UK Personally, I do believe the shroud is Christ's burial cloth, and the new proper dating concludes that it does indeed fall within the correct time frame. What should be noted here is that even if we find undeniable evidence that this is Christ's burial shroud there will be always be people that will still vehemently deny this fact.
The reasons are many but it mostly comes down to a problem of the heart and choosing to believe or not to believe in the claims that Christ made concerning His identity and the works and miracles of His earthly ministry. This denial has been going on for years the shroud being dated correctly will unfortunately not change that.
Rob, Toronto, Canada I think it could well be Christ's burial cloth, and it should be tested properly now to establish this once and for all before the fabric becomes too fragile. Surely this would be in the interests of Christians worldwide and not just those adhering to the Roman Catholic faith.
Joan Whyte, Mintlaw, Aberdeenshire The new evidence is interesting in what it may say about the cloth, but as a Christian I've never been surprised at any test showing that the Turin shroud was not Christ's burial cloth.